My new daily carry.

[tac-40]

After experiencing the P320 debacle first hand, I decided on another route for a daily carry. The requirements were hammer fired (not striker), no larger than my current carry (CZ 75B D), and optics ready. A light rail wasn't needed but is a plus. Narrowed the choices down to two CZ compacts; Shadow Carry and the PO9c Nocturne. The Shadow is all metal but fits my had nicely. Don't like the aluminum grips. LOK panels would be installed. The PO9c is a polymer frame very close to the same size as the Shadow, but much lighter. This frame also has replaceable backstraps to adjust the fit. Both pistols came with a light rail.
I opted for the PO9c because of the weight. Forgot to add that it comes with the Omega trigger and Safety to replace the decocker.

So, a 15+1 polymer frame optic ready pistol joined my other CZ's. The nice thing is my PO9 mags fit the compact with no issue - 17 and 21 rounders available. It came with 2 magazines, 3 sets of optic mounting screws, optic mounting plate, 3 additional back straps, lockable plastic case and a 9mm plastic snap cap with soft rubber strike plugs. Picked it up at my LGS store which gave me a military discount. Waiting on a Holosun EPS optic, Streamlight TLR1 light, and an IWB and OWB Holsters from Muddy River.

 

[tac-40]

Well, just as I was posting this, the delivery trucks arrived and dropped off two packages, the light and optic. Here are the pics of them mounted, TLR-1 HL and RONIN EPS CARRY.

Link to the holster:

https://muddyrivertactical.com/product/hybrid-holster/

Level 2 Retention Duty Holster - Proudly Made in U.S.A.

Our Level 2 Retention Duty Holsters! Made from .125" Kydex these robust holsters stand up to extreme environments and situations!

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[MAINER]

The searchlight and TV screen sight is cool, but doesn't carry well for me.
I'm still tickled with this one; It points good.

 

[tac-40]

My current carry pistol is a CZ75 D PCR alloy frame. This was one of the factors used to decide on the new one. You are correct that these point well and I feel instinctive. But my eyes make accurate shooting beyond 15 yards a chore and are beginning to dictate some sort of optics. I can still qualify at 25 yards but I now throw more outside the coke bottle than I used to. Since having the slide of the PCR milled for an optic cost about 80% the price of a new pistol, I opted to go new.

 

[flopshot]

picked up a P07 and stuck my Glocks in the safe. i like the CZ so much i'm going to get a P09 to keep it company. no more striker fired for me.

 

[aron82]

Looks like cz did away with the p07 p09 and went with p09c for the midsized in the nocturne.
I think you'll like it, I love my p07 in .40. I've tried to phase it out of the carry rotation, but it just keeps finding it's way back into the top of the midsized guns.
I really like the trigger guard on the p09-p09 its big enough to get a gloved finger in, unlike a glock.
Mine has been 100% reliable for years. Only downside, is mags are pricey. And there isn't really much aftermarket, not that it's needed beyond night sights.
Good looking setup.

 

[tac-40]

According to what I read from CZ, they discontinued the nonoptic PO9 and PO7. The new optic capable versions have been designated the PO9 Nocturne series that has 4 pistols. The F or Full size and the c for Compact. Each size has a standard sized barrel or SR barrel with the SR barrel being suppressor ready.

My original PO 9 was my favorite shooter when I competed in the Run and Guns. 21 round mags were perfect for that. I sent the slide to CGW to be milled for a Holosun H509T. Just too big for CCW. Now I have its baby brother. Just waiting for my holsters to arrive for a range trip. The old PO9 holster secures the compact fine, just a couple of inches too long. Might try that temporarily for a range trip this weekend if the rain stays away.

 

[lew]

I'm not a fan of optics on carry guns, but I do find a light helpful.

Nice score, Invictus. Not a huge fan of the polymer CZs, but they are good pistols. Bro carries a P01 and it's a great shooter.

 

[aron82]

Lew, at the range, or shooting I prefer steel or alloy frame pistols.
For some reason, I end up using my polymer frame guns out in the real world more.
Weight definitely is a factor, but I think the biggest thing is I just don't care as much if they get scratched, scraped and beat up.
My G29 went through a rollover and was under the vehicle. Just cleaned the dirt and mud out of it, mostly off of it. It didn't have a mark on it, but if it did, I just wouldn't care.
If the same thing happened with one of my nice czs or metal framed sigs, it would bother me.

I haven't made the jump to optics on any carry guns yet, don't want to make them even larger to conceal.

In my mind tuperware (polymer guns) are easily replaced.
I have enough of both.

 

[1Pipefitter]

After experiencing the P320 debacle first hand, I decided on another route for a daily carry. The requirements were hammer fired (not striker), no larger than my current carry (CZ 75B D), and optics ready. A light rail wasn't needed but is a plus. Narrowed the choices down to two CZ compacts; Shadow Carry and the PO9c Nocturne. The Shadow is all metal but fits my had nicely. Don't like the aluminum grips. LOK panels would be installed. The PO9c is a polymer frame very close to the same size as the Shadow, but much lighter. This frame also has replaceable backstraps to adjust the fit. Both pistols came with a light rail.
I opted for the PO9c because of the weight. Forgot to add that it comes with the Omega trigger and Safety to replace the decocker.

So, a 15+1 polymer frame optic ready pistol joined my other CZ's. The nice thing is my PO9 mags fit the compact with no issue - 17 and 21 rounders available. It came with 2 magazines, 3 sets of optic mounting screws, optic mounting plate, 3 additional back straps, lockable plastic case and a 9mm plastic snap cap with soft rubber strike plugs. Picked it up at my LGS store which gave me a military discount. Waiting on a Holosun EPS optic, Streamlight TLR1 light, and an IWB and OWB Holsters from Muddy River.

I like the CZ P09 so much I bought 3 of them. I have 3 of the P07 also , one of them being the new P09C Nocturne. I believe I have 4 P10s. 3 CZ75s. 1 97BD. I have a pic of some of them, but not all are in this pic.

 

[1Pipefitter]

A few more. Matter of fact, the only sidearms I own are CZ.

 

[1Pipefitter]

The latter pics are comparisons of the older P07s, and the new Nocturne.

 

[1Pipefitter]

After experiencing the P320 debacle first hand, I decided on another route for a daily carry. The requirements were hammer fired (not striker), no larger than my current carry (CZ 75B D), and optics ready. A light rail wasn't needed but is a plus. Narrowed the choices down to two CZ compacts; Shadow Carry and the PO9c Nocturne. The Shadow is all metal but fits my had nicely. Don't like the aluminum grips. LOK panels would be installed. The PO9c is a polymer frame very close to the same size as the Shadow, but much lighter. This frame also has replaceable backstraps to adjust the fit. Both pistols came with a light rail.
I opted for the PO9c because of the weight. Forgot to add that it comes with the Omega trigger and Safety to replace the decocker.

So, a 15+1 polymer frame optic ready pistol joined my other CZ's. The nice thing is my PO9 mags fit the compact with no issue - 17 and 21 rounders available. It came with 2 magazines, 3 sets of optic mounting screws, optic mounting plate, 3 additional back straps, lockable plastic case and a 9mm plastic snap cap with soft rubber strike plugs. Picked it up at my LGS store which gave me a military discount. Waiting on a Holosun EPS optic, Streamlight TLR1 light, and an IWB and OWB Holsters from Muddy River.

Congratulations on your new purchase. Nothing makes me giddy like "New gun day".

 

[jam762]

Resurrecting this year old thread for some opinions on the Nocturne. Been seriously considering a P-09 Nocturne, haven’t decided on the full or compact yet. How do you guys(Nocturne owners) feel about them after owning for a while? Also looking at the P-10 C ported. Any experience with P-10 C ported?

 

[tac-40]

First and foremost, the P-09 Nocturne is basically an upgraded P-07. So if you are comfortable or used to carrying and using a P-07, you may not even tell the difference in handling and carrying. Just some minor improvements to the internals and some ergonomics.

Ported guns have their place. But I don't agree that place is for EDC or daily carry. In low light environments, ported guns "will" take away your night vision, as well as brightly illuminating your position to anyone wanting to shoot back. In the 9mm pistols, porting for recoil management is not justified or needed, IMHO. Again, this is my opinion, but having grown up shooting pistols that had .4 as their starting caliber designation, that was a learned technique that carries over to all other pistols.

The P-09 Nocturn has turned into a daily carry for me and the 75B D relegated to occasional trips to the range. As stated earlier, my eyes have necessitated the need for some optical device to aid in target acquisition. And having RDS optics installed on my carry and competition pistols, practice has made their use almost second nature. My last annual qual had 100% coke bottle hits (center mass) in a 6 inch group (COF is draw and fire multiple shots at 3, 5, 10, 15, and 25 yards for a total of 35 rounds.) Still need to work on the Double Action first round pull, though.

The original Muddy River holster has been put in a drawer. While originally comfortable when carrying, it did not do well when I was driving long distances (4+ hours). It rode too high on the point of my hip and made it sore. I went with my old standby of a Super Tuck Deluxe from Crossbreed holsters. They just fit my body size perfectly.

 

[skeeterbay]

First and foremost, the P-09 Nocturne is basically an upgraded P-07. So if you are comfortable or used to carrying and using a P-07, you may not even tell the difference in handling and carrying. Just some minor improvements to the internals and some ergonomics.

Ported guns have their place. But I don't agree that place is for EDC or daily carry. In low light environments, ported guns "will" take away your night vision, as well as brightly illuminating your position to anyone wanting to shoot back. In the 9mm pistols, porting for recoil management is not justified or needed, IMHO. Again, this is my opinion, but having grown up shooting pistols that had .4 as their starting caliber designation, that was a learned technique that carries over to all other pistols.

The P-09 Nocturn has turned into a daily carry for me and the 75B D relegated to occasional trips to the range. As stated earlier, my eyes have necessitated the need for some optical device to aid in target acquisition. And having RDS optics installed on my carry and competition pistols, practice has made their use almost second nature. My last annual qual had 100% coke bottle hits (center mass) in a 6 inch group (COF is draw and fire multiple shots at 3, 5, 10, 15, and 25 yards for a total of 35 rounds.) Still need to work on the Double Action first round pull, though.

The original Muddy River holster has been put in a drawer. While originally comfortable when carrying, it did not do well when I was driving long distances (4+ hours). It rode too high on the point of my hip and made it sore. I went with my old standby of a Super Tuck Deluxe from Crossbreed holsters. They just fit my body size perfectly.

I am in the same boat we have to qualify out to 25yds 100 rounds with each type of weapon, pistol and revolver, if you choose to carry both types. It's getting harder, even with trifocals to see clearly at the 25yd line. I bought a S&W shield plus w/optic just to try out an optic. I don't seem to be able to shoot the optic well. It magnifies my movements to much and I find it hard to stay on center at distance. My groups even with poor eyesight are much tighter with sights. I had the same problem when I tried the wifes carry gun with a laser on it. I want to use the optic because it is quicker especially when we have to shoot on the move from the 18yd line in and then back out. However I don't seem to be able to get the hang of it. I end up ignoring the red dot and shifting to the cowitness sights.

 

[jam762]

Thanks for the reply’a gentlemen. Don’t own a p-07 or p-09. I’m looking to satisfy an itch in a hammer fired plastic realm.

 

[lew]

Call me what you will, but I think the polymer CZ's look like a boar's ass.

Bro's got a P01. Fine shooter, and it looks like a CZ should.

 

[aron82]

They're not anywhere near as pretty as a proper cz, but they carry very well and shoot almost as nicely as the metal framed cz's.

I never carry my p01 as I don't want to scratch the nice pretty cocobolo grips I put on it. That and it's heavier than the p07.

For some reason I just end up grabbing the p07 when I want to carry a midsized pistol mor than any other.

 

[W.E.G.]

I should probably train more with optics on a pistol.

I got real annoyed with just the flashlight malfunction issues.

Fuck me with an optic. I wouldn’t train. Then I’d find myself in a gunfight. Can’t see shit. Just mag dump And miss wildly. Which I would probably do anyway if I could see the dot.

I’m about at the point that all I’m gonna carry is a J-frame with +P’s. My battle plan is to yell loudly, “I’M GONNA EAT YOUR ASS!!” and charge the motherfucker, and punch him in the gut 5 times. whether any actual ass-eating occurs thereafter, will be evaluated in situe.

 

[tac-40]

Fuck me with an optic. I wouldn’t train. Then I’d find myself in a gunfight. Can’t see shit. Just mag dump And miss wildly. Which I would probably do anyway if I could see the dot.

The neat thing about a pistol optic, with no dot it becomes a big ghost sight. Look though center, put it over the bad guy, and pull the trigger. You may not put everything center mass, but with your muscle memory, I would guess your hit percentage would be well above 85%.

 

[Danziger]

I saw daily carry and i was (ignorantly) thinking J frame or N frame depending on the time of the year. Sorry,i’ll see myself out now.

 

[MAINER]

Make it a K frame and I'll join ya.

 

[Tuhlmann]

I’m about at the point that all I’m gonna carry is a J-frame with +P’s. My battle plan is to yell loudly, “I’M GONNA EAT YOUR ASS!!” and charge the motherfucker, and punch him in the gut 5 times. whether any actual ass-eating occurs thereafter, will be evaluated in situe.

So lemme get this straight. You’re gonna talk dirty to your attacker, give they/them a boner, then come at them and make your final ass-eating decision on what, exactly? How impressive the erection is?

I have a pair if CT grips for a J-Frame if you want to shoot a laser at your suspect’s wang for forplay. I’ll even give you TEMU pricing + lifetime battery replacement. HMU if interested.